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nathansym
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Tenacious made me laugh .... and question my beliefs for a second.
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:15 PM
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Trillian
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I'm just saying where can the line be drawn? You are trying to defend what could be life when every time you masturbate that could potentially produce a child, when one uses a condom that's preventing life.
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:16 PM
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thetrippysmurf
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First, there is no NEXT Messiah. |
Yeah, here is where I just completely ignore Nathan from now on, and wonder why he isn't in front a temple somewhere telling everyone that they are going to hell unless the Embrace Jesus, or infront of a gay bar, saying the same thing, all though even if they embrace Jesus, they are still going to hell.
Although you never did answer my question on what you consider when life begins. I am curious, if the fetus is aborted when it still has gills, is it still considered a human life?
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:34 PM
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pirateshark9
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trillian: that is why some religions, such as catholicism do not believe in using codoms or birth control, b/c they believe that any child that can produced is a gift. (hence being so against abortion)
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:07 AM
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nathansym
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You ignore me because I am not a Jew and I believe Jesus was the Messiah?
Wow the gill argument ... that's such a good and sound argument
When was the last time you saw a human give birth to a fish?
And trillian the line (for me) is drawn when the sperm meets the egg.
But if there is aever a question I err on the side of caution
[Edited by nathansym on 10/19/2004 2:32:51 PM. Reason for edit: .:.]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:31 AM
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AfroWanksta
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Does the father have any say in the abortion?
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:05 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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who is anyone to say what's "right" and what's "wrong"? all you're doing is putting a value to actions but there are so many values that the action could recieve.
who are you to define deviance and assign what is and what is not deviant?
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:21 AM
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Justferfun
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Then who should define any action as "right" or "wrong"? Who has the right to define murder or rape or robbery as wrong?
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:26 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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oh wait lol
yeah, exactly. who has the right to deem any of these things right or wrong?
[Edited by HairyBearChaos on 10/19/2004 3:30:51 PM. Reason for edit: GODDAMN YOU]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:28 AM
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thetrippysmurf
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The man with the biggest gun.
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:29 AM
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Justferfun
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So you admit it is murder.
[Edited by Justferfun on 10/19/2004 4:02:50 PM. Reason for edit: <_< >_>]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:02 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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^ get the fuck outta here.
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:03 AM
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Justferfun
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joo get da fock outta hurr.
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:05 AM
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nathansym
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I can see we are making some great headway.
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:41 AM
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Pyprpunk
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mmm dead babies
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:11 AM
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Pyromonger
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Ppl who drive SUVs are murders, too. Do they go to hell?
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:22 AM
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Cire19
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not that anyone cares...
.. but my penis is hard..
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:03 AM
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nathansym
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too bad you don't have to believe in something for it to exist
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:12 AM
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Sk8aBull
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trillian: that is why some religions, such as catholicism do not believe in using codoms or birth control, b/c they believe that any child that can produced is a gift. (hence being so against abortion |
you know why they say that, right? They "believe" that because back in the day the Catholic church was struggling a bit, and they wanted all their church members to have big families so that not only will the church grow, but so that they can get more money.
And for the most part, a lot of catholic churches are being leniant about birth control these days, because the times have changed.... their doctorine should, too... but then that's a touchy thing to get into so they just become more leniant with certain things...
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:08 AM
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nathansym
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too bad you don't have to believe in something for it to exist |
So just because you dont believe in the spaghetti monster, it still exists
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Because murder is wrong. |
This is the biggest point of contention for me when it comes to fanatical christian's arguing abortion on this point. what about an eye for an eye. Most of the time they not only believe in capital punishment but its made pretty clear in the the bible that its not only condoned, but it expected even. What ever happened to murder is wrong?
As far as your picture is concerned, it states at the bottom that it is taken from an abortion that is nearly into the 3rd trimester. Using shock value to convey your point only cheapens the argument. While I believe it is a womens choice, there are also limitations that should be followed.
Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:05 AM
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chase
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when the romans had unwanted babies they would have them and stack them on a pile away from the city. That way wolves and other animals could get them and it was no concern of anyone in the city. Sall culture
Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:53 AM
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nozflubber
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This is an interesting developement for the initial picture when you consider that children - and arguably fetuses - are slaves. Isn't economics awesome?
Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:17 AM
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TrackStar
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slaves are property
you can do whatever you want with your property.
Game over!
FINISH HIM!!
Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:37 AM
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Sandman
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Danny, you do some stupid things sometimes.
Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:55 AM
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Sandman
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Danny, you do some stupid things sometimes.
Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:55 AM
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CallMeEleanor
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Abortion arguments are the worst.
Seriously.
Worst thread evar.
Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:32 AM
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Aida
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 The lil dead baby fetus makes me want to cry
Friday, February 23, 2007 12:48 AM
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EmptyApocalypse
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Makes me hungry.
Friday, February 23, 2007 12:59 AM
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The Marc
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I understand where you're coming from Gina, but I do miss threads like this... where people actually had something to say.
Monday, July 23, 2007 10:43 AM
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volcomdiablo
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These are just meaningless rants displaying opposite sides of a neverending debate on ethos and religion. But I do miss posts where people post pictures of babies that look like fried chicken.
Friday, July 27, 2007 7:12 PM
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shchmue
Tampa
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now who wants to do some sex
Friday, July 27, 2007 10:17 PM
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karalcamo
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No condamn [sic] either.
Friday, July 27, 2007 11:40 PM
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Mattyboy
Tampa
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They can say a lot more, but that's all you will hear^
Perspective. It's a bitch.
Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:54 AM
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shchmue
Tampa
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not all babies who were aborted would have been against abortion, dumbshit
[Edited by shchmue on 7/28/2007 7:16:41 AM. Reason for edit: dumbshit = anyone who venerates an illogical platitude]
Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:14 PM
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shchmue
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^ way to puss out every time i curse. christ.
it's a fact that not every aborted baby WOULD have been against abortion. for further perspective on worthwhile human function, think along the lines of "while i do not like what you say, i will defend to the death your right to say it"
certainly we're all glad we weren't aborted, but in the long run, what does it matter whether certain people exist or don't exist, live or die? the idea that every life is sacred is primitive. sacrifices must be made for the greater good. surely you don't believe every song ever created should see the light of day.
also, i know that i have a brother who's 10 years older running around somewhere, but nothing more. thanks to adoption, i had a weird belief-challenging situation (one of many lol) to deal with when i found out in high school. i'm sure he has some valuable opinions on abortion...
[Edited by shchmue on 7/28/2007 9:15:47 AM. Reason for edit: oh, and no, you're a dumbshit because you subscribe to dogma vocally and all but expect the forum to guide you through your own intellectual development]
Saturday, July 28, 2007 2:14 PM
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Mattyboy
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probably one that should be aborted?^^
Saturday, July 28, 2007 2:25 PM
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to be okay with, and actually desire, the death(yes it's a death, plz prove me otherwise) of your own flesh and blood(albeit, not much flesh nor blood) just to make yourown life easier is just plain selfish and just beyond my realm of understanding. |
It's really not that hard to understand.
Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:37 PM
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shchmue
Tampa
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And can you plzzz give me one other example of me complaining about your cursing?? if it's every time or even most of the time, you gotta be able to find me one. |
you call me juvenile every time i do it. i'm sorry stupidity pisses me off so :[
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And can you tell me what you're "sacrificing" when you make an abortion? Abortion is the easy way out. The easy way to avoid responsibility. |
are you trying to imply that everyone is capable of meeting every responsibility every time? some people obviously do not have the resources to raise a child without sacrificing school, work, etc. you think just because a condom breaks two people should have to put their entire lives on hold? that, i feel, is a primitive idea.
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soooooooooooo your belief is that since he wasn't raised by his biological parents that he would have rather not even been given the chance to live???? shchmue, it is late, I see that(5 am on the dot as I type this) but c'mon man, that is just not logical thinking. And you can't use my history of dumb statements to disregard this as useless just because you are an elitist(yes, you are). |
no, i was saying that it created an awkward situation for me and obviously for my mom's family at the time. i don't know where you got your idea there from. it takes just the right type of provocation to make me elitist, and it's fun on forums, so why not? 0:] you're not an idiot, you're just vocal about your half-formed moral ideas and it's fun to pick at their weaknesses.
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what dogma specifically? |
christian :[
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sooooooo because his parents made the choice to screw and then they happened to conceieve, and having a child just isnt the most convenient thing at the time, the baby itself would be FOR ITS OWN FUCKING ABORTION???????? good God matt!!!! I thought you were intelligent!!!!! no, you still are. but good god.... |
i guess you've never met anyone with real convictions
Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:41 PM
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SuperKpill
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My point is, regardless if the cause and effect are negative or positive(or neither), every decision comes with a consequence. Sex(whether a condom breaks or not), as wonderful as it is, has the consequence of possibly creating human life. So to bypass the consequence, and therefore end a human's life, for one's own personal benefit, is truly barbaric and "primitive". |
But there is a grey area there when you talk about ending a human's life because it depends on when you think life begins. It's primitive to you, but a lot of people don't see it as ending a human life, but rather preventing one from ever starting.
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not hard for you to understand or me? Because I dont remember asking if you could understand it. |
I meant that it shouldn't be hard for you to understand.
Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 AM
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