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tampacheercoach
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Lysander,you are correct but I think Ben is compelled to have the last word on everything.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:26 AM
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Justferfun
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How do you feel about men pushing the women they've inpregnated down a stairwell? It's like our version of abortion. 
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:30 AM
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tampacheercoach
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^^ See (-:
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:31 AM
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Lysander
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I didn't read everything, but the answer to all of this is simple:
The government has no right inside a woman's uterus. Everything else is up to the mother and the father.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:34 AM
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nathansym
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The government has no right to prevent murders?
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:37 AM
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Justferfun
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So now we're to petty insults since you no longer want to argue/have an argument. Excellent strategy, tell me how it works out.
Wheither you are for abortion or against abortion, the father should have a say in his child's life. To deny him this is selfish and petty. Think about someone other than yourself for once.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:37 AM
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elm3r
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Ben, just give up. She's too fucking narrow-minded to listen. I mean shit, look at what she's writing:
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Again that is completely your opinion, and mind differs. In reality it really is the mothers choice. |
She states that it's an opinion, but that "in reality" it's solely the mothers choice. She's trying to use logical fallacies to back up her unsubstantiated claims that since the baby is inside of a woman, that the woman can kill it if she deems appropriate. And that is ok to do, without the father's consent, and that he should be COOL with that.
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Why, because you cant force a woman to have a child or to not have a child because it is her body. |
Yknow, maybe not. But again: if a woman i were with did this without my consent, she'd die just as quick. So yeah, she can abort her baby because "pregnancy can be life threatening" (AGAIN: you said this statement in contrast to me saying that I WOULD consent to an abortion if the woman could die in the process, as diagnosed BY A MEDICAL DOCTOR, not a magic eight ball), and I can't technically stop the doctor from giving her womb the Hoover-Vac treatment. But the cunt will die soon anyways: by my hands, not nature's. Atleast with nature, she has a chance. =)
I just love, though, how ms. cheercoach over there hasn't addressed any of the points I made in my most previous post. Cat got your tongue?
[Edited by elm3r on 10/5/2004 5:06:29 PM. Reason for edit: aaeoiha0gh34]
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:04 AM
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ragingheifer
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oh my goodness...this argument will never end!!!!
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:23 AM
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tampacheercoach
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No Elmer "cat has not gotten my tongue" but I do realize that my opinions are just that, my opinions. We can sit here and argue back and forth until we die but most likely you arent going to change your opinion and im most definately not going to change mine. I have stated my opinion over and over again, so why bother to sit here and pick apart everything you say again and again for no apparent gain? Some of us cant spend our entire lives on the internet arguing with strangers.
"But the cunt will die soon anyways: by my hands, not nature's. Atleast with nature, she has a chance. =)"
I love this, so your saying that abortion is murder and that its wrong right? But your okay with killing someone because they do something you disagree with? That makes lots of sense.
"So now we're to petty insults since you no longer want to argue/have an argument. Excellent strategy, tell me how it works out."
Do I need to go back over this thread and point out all of the petty name calling that is scattered throughout your posts? I was kidding, I read another post in which someone mentioned that you seem to be compelled to have the last word in every matter. Obviously I am right in that observation. I dont recall any insults, just more of an observation.
[Edited by tampacheercoach on 10/5/2004 5:44:11 PM. Reason for edit: <0]
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:40 AM
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ragingheifer
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someone told me in like pre-school that 1 wrong + 1 wrong is not equal to 1 right...
so who's wrong here and who's right?
[Edited by raginghefer24 on 10/5/2004 5:43:40 PM. Reason for edit: .]
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:43 AM
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elm3r
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quote :
"But the cunt will die soon anyways: by my hands, not nature's. Atleast with nature, she has a chance. =)"
I love this, so your saying that abortion is murder and that its wrong right? But your okay with killing someone because they do something you disagree with? That makes lots of sense. |
Whoa whoa whoa. Step back for a second, and think before you type. NEVER, EVER did I say that "abortion is murder", or any of that bullshit. I said that I believe it's wrong when not done for a BONA-FIDE MEDICAL REASON. My words were merely in contrast to your uppity "I'm woman, so I can make whatever decision I want concerning a pregnancy, no matter what anyone says (including the father of said child)" comments. And there you go again, de-sensitising the situation by saying "Oh, you're gonna kill someone over a little disagreement?" You must have failed public speaking, or had a really bad professor.
Again, let me restate my thesis: If a significant other of mine is pregnant with my child, and aborts the child for any reason other than life-threatening (read: WITHOUT A BONA-FIDE MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS SAYING THAT HER LIFE IS SEVERELY AT RISK), on her own free will, and without consent from me, then she'll feel two things: what it's like to give death, and what it's like to receive it.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 4:56 AM
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tampacheercoach
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So your sitting there insulting my intelligence and my arguement when your only argument is that if she has an abortion I will kill her? That is incredibly intelligent of you, I can see how your public speaking (since when is the internet public) skills are so much more refined that mine are.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 5:07 AM
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nathansym
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at least he doesn't believe in murdering babies.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 5:36 AM
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sweetlilmissa
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I agree and disagree. I believe a woman should have a choice but I also feel that late term abortion is wrong. In the third trimester, if a baby is born premature, it has the ability to survive in the world. So yes, that fetus is a human. Also in the third trimester, a fetus can feel pain, react to loud sounds or lights shined on the mother's belly, and remember a story that is read to it over and over during that trimester (I don't feel like getting into this experiment, it takes too long to explain). How can you tell me that that fetus is not a human being?
I could personally not have an abortion unless for health reasons.
So you're saying that if the man wants the child and the woman doesn't, tough fucking luck.
I think that that is a touchy subject right there. I believe the father should have a say but at the same time I know if it was my body, I would be making the final choice. I'm not saying either Justferfun or tampacheer are wrong, I'm just not sure how I feel about it.
Btw, I learned in Human Sexual Behavior that having an abortion is very risky as well. It's no picnic.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 6:01 AM
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Justferfun
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Cheercoach, I don't think you grasp the concept elmer is trying to explain.
If his signficant other murder's his child, he will be furious and most likely kill the bitch. I must agree with him on this matter, as the life of my child comes above all else (call parential instinct if you would).
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 7:21 AM
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tampacheercoach
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I completely grasp what he is saying, what I dont understand is how you can sit there and tell me that you believe abortion is murder and wrong, yet its okay for you to go out and kill another person. Is murder wrong all the time, or just when its convenient for you?
How can you say that you would respond to something that you deem wrong, by doing the same thing. Wouldnt that make you just as bad as the woman you killed? Isnt that a little hypocritical?
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 7:34 AM
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Justferfun
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We're not saying abortion(or as you like to call it, murder) is wrong your fucking twit. We're saying killing our child is wrong.
[Edited by Justferfun on 10/5/2004 9:42:29 PM. Reason for edit: []
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 7:38 AM
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tampacheercoach
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So explain to me why its okay for you to kill the mother of the child, but its not okay for the mother to get an abortion? By saying that you would react to the so called murder of your child with the murder of the childs mother you have made yourself into a hypocrit.
For some reason I thought you had said you were against abortion because it was murder, I apologize if I was wrong.
"So now we're to petty insults since you no longer want to argue/have an argument. Excellent strategy, tell me how it works out."
"fucking twit"
Its a little like the pot calling the kettle black now isnt it.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 7:51 AM
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Justferfun
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The insult was to grab your attention, kettle. I didn't call abortion murder, I said it's something I don't agree with, but understand why it must be legal. I personally would never want my child aborted for anything less than serious medical reasons.
Nothing hypocritical here. You kill my kid, my defenseless child, I will kill you.
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 7:56 AM
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GoBullz
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if you dont want a baby, why are you having sex?
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 9:08 PM
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buhdungadung
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god, Nathan. Stop with the bullshit. We get it. You are against abortion. It isnt like we havent seen these pictures before, so you posting this on fucking usfbullshit is not going to do a damn thing.
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 10:36 PM
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nathansym
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thank you for moving the picture to the top of the recent comments
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 10:46 PM
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ragingheifer
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i bet if we all keep commenting and arguing about the subject we can keep it there
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 10:57 PM
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nathansym
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i disagree
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 10:59 PM
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ragingheifer
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i don't
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 11:13 PM
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buhdungadung
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yeah. it usually moves up on the recent comments when someone makes a new comment. Funny how that shit works.
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 11:33 PM
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nathansym
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please stop arguing
you are just moving this picture to the top and exposing more people to the horrible truth of abortion
come on now ... people need to be blind to what happens
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 11:37 PM
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diclophis
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I prefer chicken fried fetus myself, but to each his own.
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 11:42 PM
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buhdungadung
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actually, when this gets bumped, people can see that your arguments and logic are lacking
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 11:46 PM
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CallMeEleanor
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Hey Nathan.
I'd just like to add...that rabble rabble rabble...and rabble rabble, but rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble.
But really, I think it's a little hypocritical of the conservatives to restrict sexual education in schools and then ban abortions. Ignoring social vices is ignorant. I'm not for abortion at ALL but realistically--it'll happen anyways. It should be legal until more educational measures are taken. Counsiling should be performed before an abortion--not have it advertised in college newspapers and clinics for the cheapest possible price.
Hooray logic!
Now we can stop arguing because I'm a genius and I just solved EVERYTHING.
[Edited by CallMeEleanor on 11/3/2004 1:52:48 PM. Reason for edit: EVERYTHING]
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 11:51 PM
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nathansym
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Please show my lacking logic.
*bump*
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 11:53 PM
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Your Naim Heer
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Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:04 PM
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ivyspice
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I know this is an old pic, but I'm not the one who bumped it, so I'm just gonna comment. I am against abortions, with an exception for some cases - a girl is raped and becomes pregnant or when incest occurs. Decide about it what you wish, but it is medically proven that unborn children feel pain at 20 weeks gestation, some studies are currently proving that the unborn may feel pain as early as 9 weeks; it is already clear that the fetus responds to touch from 5 and 1/2 weeks after conception. I may be arguing with just myself here, but I know that facts and also the affects that abortion causes. If you don't want it, don't kill it; either protect yourself while having sex or give it up for adoption. Adoption is a great way to give yourself and your child the life they deserve.
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:35 PM
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nathansym
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You have to upload the picture first
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:37 PM
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ATLDrtybird7
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i think the war on drugs is total crap. I don't give a shit if people kill themselves ODing, I don't care if they spend all their money on drugs... let them do what they want, but it should come at a cost... they can never be eligable for health insurrance. Every medical procedure they have done (and you know there will be a lot of them) they should have to fit their own bill... I should not have to pay higher premiums because dumbasses want to piss away their life on drugs...
Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:29 AM
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nathansym
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I dont know if I agree with you.
It isnt like all druggies are these stupid people who just want to get high all the time.
I have seen and known some very intelligent people get sucked into the world of drugs and struggle with it.
They need help just like anyone else.
Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:33 AM
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ATLDrtybird7
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they have the right to mess themselves up... that is their decision... however, they should not be allowed to inflict harm on others. That is the role government should play.
As far as getting help goes, they can get all the help they want, as long as they can pay for it. They did this to themselves, nobody forced them to do it. I say let them do what makes them happy as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. They can kill themselves for all i care, but the minute they harm someone else, they are going down. The government should not meddle in issues like these, but they should also deny insurrance to substance abusers... that way we all get what we want. They get to be high as much as they want, and my premiums stay low. Perfect solution .gif)
oh, and it will also save the government some money by not running those stupid anti-drug ads.
[Edited by ATLDrtybird7 on 11/10/2004 3:49:23 PM. Reason for edit: i had something else to add, but i lost it]
Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:48 AM
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ATLDrtybird7
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oh, yes... it will also help with population control. and if people straighten themselves out, it will be because they wanted to, not because uncle sam made them.
Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:50 AM
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nathansym
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People that get in a car accident because they are speeding shouldn't get medical treatment unless they pay for it themselves.
I mean, it was their choice to speed. Let them bleed to death.
Believe me, I have little sympathy for people who do drugs and continue to do them without remorse. But there are people who truly want to quit and become clean and become a contributiing member of society.
Those people we should help.
Just like there are women who have gotten pregnant because they have slept around.
We shouldnt say screw them and let them have an abortion or have to deal with the kid themselves. there are organizations like the Crisis Pregnancy Center that help women who have made mistakes and who want to do the right thing but need help.
Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:52 AM
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ATLDrtybird7
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i see your humanitarian point of view, and it makes sense... but i must rule with an iron fist maybe those who are serious about recovering and stay clean for an extended period of time would be able to apply for some kind of insurrance, but they still have to pay more than those who don't meddle in self destructive hobbies.
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:04 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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okay, nathan and mike and all the other conservatives on this thread...
i've completely seen what you mean and i am now pro-life. who wants to go bomb some clinics?
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:07 AM
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Justferfun
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I'll grab the C4!!!!
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:20 AM
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nathansym
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This is a serious thread people!
Jess dan ben you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Now let me get back to my point ...
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:24 AM
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nathansym
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you are pretty dumb arent you dan
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:27 AM
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ATLDrtybird7
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i dont want to bomb clinics... although, i am in the mood to blow something up. Besides, i dont want to get chunks of aborted baby on me... 
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:28 AM
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acurtiss
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Nathan not everything is so Black and White,
I hope that you never end up having to eat your words.
I always thought the idea behind being Christian is making
the right choice because your beliefs and faith are strong.
How can people test their faith if all their choices are controled?
Government should help peoples life be more enjoyable not control morals, leave that to religion.
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:30 AM
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Justferfun
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^^^ best picture evAr.
Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:30 AM
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Justferfun
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What is with the "I hope you never have to eat your own words" thing?
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